ready to take you anytime. Gogeta, one of Dragon Ball's strongest, is the Metamoran fusion of Goku and Vegeta that was introduced to us canonically during Dragon Ball Super: Broly.Being a fusion, this form increases their power level tremendously, as seen in the movie, where they … you claim it's dumb despite seeing inferior feats...so, feats > scaling. Made Goku scared just by showing 'a hint' of his true power. You did, and still haven't provided any evidence. Universe 7 wasn’t a concept until DBS so it’s universal designation isn’t relevant. Might means maybe, while probably means most likely. Gogeta effortlessly stomped a Beerus level enemy, he annihilates here since Beerus doesn’t get ridiculously stronger through the course of a fight like Broly does. And his statement was solely basing it off of the Beerus in [God of Destruction arc]. Yeah, but we can get an idea that he used a good amount when he fought Champa in the baseball episode. @karkus: What? Gogeta would probably win. SSJG was already at the very least hundreds of times more powerful than SSJ3 Goku, and on top of that, SSJB is significantly more powerful than SSJG. Buu was going to destroy the mortal universe, there is nothing suggesting otherworld would have been destroyed too. beerus locks at universal. When the match comes to an end, it is revealed that Belmod faked being knocked down and had taken no damage over the course of the match. still nothing. NEVER has Whis stated that Broly's power was near a God of Destruction's domain, not even remotely close... Beerus has never ever stated how many % he has used during the fight between Goku during his God form. ?Do you not understand synonyms?? Yes. The strongest SS4, Gogeta, fodderized Omega Shenron....who did nothing noteworthy. So yeah he might legit be near Angle tier. there was no mention of a ''mortal'' part, universe only. Again, you literally have no proof whatsoever. This is a big difference between "You might be stronger" than "On-par or entered the domains and POTENTIALLY even surpassing it" Moreover Jiren's tiny little amount of Ki released made Beerus sweat like a piss fountain and when he released a "hint of his true power" made Goku revert back to his base form, because he has realised the gap between them. SSJ4 Gogeta vs. Beerus. Also, if Beerus was much stronger than Broly, it would be disingenuous to include such a statement with no indication that it was wrong. Still gogeta via scaling. @thelostshinobi: Repeat thread, but welcome anyway. IF Beerus and Gogeta ever fights Beerus will still win since he's never brought out his true power in a match. R1: Beerus stomps. There are battles on this forum with SSJB Vegito vs Beerus. Jiren shook the entire world of void just releasing a tiny bit of his Ki. Utter. It only said "Mightiest vs. Mightiest" and "Strongest enemy they ever faced.". Find me proof, all you doing is delaying the inevitable. I never claimed Broly was stronger than Beerus. Never claimed otherwise. Probably > Might. In 2 or 3 hits, he dominated Frieza and KO'ED him in an instant. The 'might' indicates that Broly is 'around' Beerus' level. Jiren was way stronger than the team of U7 at the time. Buu used Vice Shout to collapse dimensional walls and pass through them, Gogeta and Broly were shattering entire dimensions. You can't compare Beerus especially since, he has never shown his full strength. @karkus: I never said Beerus stomps Broly. Beerus utterly stomps. Goku stated that Broly might even surpass Beerus. Toppo a God of Destruction in training, the weakest God of Destruction is more powerful than Frieza. No. @karkus: Even Whis stopped Beerus and Goku's match when they were just merely "sparring". And Jiren is the only being next to Goku Ultra Instinct that's shown to be able to can fight on par with Beerus' level. so yeah, dozens of times uiversal is High multi universal. Quotes? @tony501: Again with the baseless argument, with no proof whatsover...Any links? ?Then how do you know that Gogeta is stronger than Beerus just because he dominated Broly...Beerus never showed 100% of his power so Goku only compared Broly's power to Beerus when he fought against him in the God of Destruction arc...There's no evidence to suggest that Broly nor Gogeta was more powerful than Beerus.They might can push Beerus.But defeating him is ridiculous.Beerus has millions years more training and fighting experience than the two combined... Beerus UI (Whis said he haven't his master UI) >>>>>> Beerus full power (Goku can never see Beerus using FP) >>>> SSB gogeta >> LSSJ Broly > LB jiren = MUI Goku. I don't remember if Gogeta was even used in DBZ or it was just DBGT, but I know Vegito was used in the Buu Saga and was insanely powerful in comparison. He was comparing Jiren to Beerus'power as a God of Destruction at that time when he said that, naturally because he is Beerus' teacher and mentor, so he knows his strengths and weaknesses. You were the one who claimed Beerus >>> Broly, but haven't provided any evidence. Broly didn’t reach full power until his fight with SSJ Gogeta. Tier: Low 2-C | At least Low 2-C. Name: Gogeta Origin: Dragon Ball. All I want is crystal clear answers from a credible source. Furthermore, Full power SSJ Broly couldn’t even land a single finger on Gogeta once he used SSB. GG. SSJB Gogeta roflstomped a Beerus level fighter. so threats are feats now? Got in to a debate with a friend, I personally believe Gogeta can triumph Beerus but apparently his powers have been retconned to the point where he's near omnipotent. I would put SSJ4 Gogeta at 100%, 10% Omniking!So,he just goes full power and thrashes SSJ4 Gogeta. R2: Depends on whether Gogeta Blue held back against Broly or not. I … @phantasial: Stop it, go back to wanking Naruto. Because Beerus never worried about Broly. It's pretty much been implied both in the manga and anime that Belmod is more powerful than Beerus. this scaling are based off the official statements. Goku said that Beerus while sleeping is using his unretstrained power or that in the [Majin Buu arc] he said that he could take out Kid Buu, but his body gave up on him and during the entire fight Kid Buu and Goku SSJ3 was on par with each other. Not the same as straight up busting a universe. anyways. Beerus via superior feats and even better scaling. Heavily suppressed Jiren being stronger than Beerus doesn't fit with other statements such as that MUI "might" be stronger than Beerus. Doesn't leave too much room for imagination xD. The threat was the after-effect, and only over time. Tbh we could get clear confirmation on who wins if toei can tell us who's stronger between Vegito and beerus. In my honest opinion it's Beerus. Beerus would take this mid to high dif. Bloodmatch. But Beerus isnt even sweating Vegeta, which causes him to use the Final Flash on Beerus in which he uses his left arm to flick the attack like nothing. Lack of evidence. I can say for 100% certainty though that Gogeta Blue >Full Power Jiren > Omen Goku 3rd time since Gogeta bodied a person with identical statements to Omen Goku at least. @tony501: In the manga:Belmod is able to damage all of the Gods of Destruction by capturing them in Imprisonment Balls and attacking with Energy Cards. @karkus: Still doesn't prove Beerus is any means weaker does it? Goku said Broly was probably stronger than Beerus, and while he may not have seen his full power, he probably saw a decent amount in the baseball episode. @karkus: Why are you comparing feats to a gag episode? SSJB Vegito or Gogeta- if that ever happened, would be a way better match up. Thx for watching Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_.attila._145/ @mainjp: There's no proof whatsoever to indicate Gogeta stronger than Beerus. Provide me with evidence or don't claim otherwise. Already did. I hope you are not trolling because in the English dub Goku said might be stronger than our Beerus and also probably and might are literally same thing. clearly something is wrong with that hence why scaling is as important as feats. beerus via feats locks at universal. Beerus, Super powerscaling is greater than GT's one. Gogeta vs Beerus Power Levels - Dragon Ball Super - YouTube In Tournament of Power, Whis personally said that: "His powers has reached the domains of a God of Destruction or potentially has even surpassed it" when Jiren only released a bit of his Ki or that he was supressed heavily. Frieza was literally there for 1 hour fighting Broly and not only was he able to have a few bruises and injury, but he was CONSCIOUS and he WAS IN HIS GOLDEN FORM! @phantasial: Dumb comparison considering Broly and Jiren both trashed stronger versions of SSG Goku, and while yes scaling is more important in cases like that DBS and GT don’t scale to each other which is why feats are more important. what is this a joke? Not to mention he wasn’t busting the universe, he was merely ripping through the barriers to parallel dimensions until the universe collapsed. How many times do we have to keep debunking this? That literally makes no sense whatsoever. So,Gogeta goes 100% and again,wins with even more scratches.Finally, the Omniking.I say the Omniking is stronger than SSJ4 Gogeta. I'd be sweating too. @karkus: People are using Goku's statement where he said "You might/probably stronger than our Beerus." It meant the destruction of his universe if his team loses. It all depends on who the authors like more, and its been like this for quite a while now. I'm not here to let you blow smoke up my butt and tell me otherwise.Provide me with evidence or don't claim otherwise especially if you have nothing to backup your claim...I am still waiting for proof that Broly is on Beerus' level... @karkus: Try again...You don't know anything about the English language. SSB Gogeta VS UI Goku VS Beerus VS Jiren VS Broly(Battle Royale) Dragon Ball - General This is ... a Spirit Bomb that was stated later in the Tournament to rival SS2 Kefla in raw power, ... since we don't know what level of UI Beerus has access to. In the 40 minutes we've seen Jiren broke Goku's and Vegeta's limits many, many times, by giving them a massive Zenkai boost. Goku vs BeerusThanks For WatchingIn this video, I will be diving in on my personal very own personal power levels for DBZ, DBS, DBGT, DBH. 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